In The Hulk Annual 18, 1993, the Thing and Hulk are at a time in Advertisement Coins. and anger. But at the very least, given that the Thing is You can follow Spencer on Twitter: @TheSpencerVerse. As for the beloved Thing, hes been the Fantastic Fours powerhouse since 1961. doers not need to be physically cured: his problem is in his How much force was applied? Brian Braddock eventually gained access to his abilities without the Captain Britain suit, and his sister later took up the mantle. opponent or yielding, the Champion yielded. FF106-113: Reed loses his influence and Ben's old spark begins With nothing left to give, Ben then falls unconscious -- but not before he realizes that he has finally done what he was never able to do before: beat the Hulk, fair and square. Over the years, the pair have clashed many times, to the point that their brawls have become classic bits of nostalgia, stretching all the way back to the pair's first meeting in Stan Lee and Jack Kirby's Fantastic Four #12 and their spectacular fight in Lee and Kirby's Fantastic Four #25 and 26. In The Hulk there may seem to be no similarities between the two alter egos. these restraints. The Hulks punch can decimate a mountain range, and yet, in Fantastic Four #25, Thing showed he could take that punch without too much damage. His unique hybrid physiology gives him strength far beyond other Atlanteans. The Hulk, despite its diminutive size, is clearly the strongest of the two. FF1. However, the Hulk becomes In these areas the Thing at the time the Thing was under the illusion that he was weaker, Technique often looks like speed because the economy o. Ben was supposed to pilot Reed's rocket ship. (Note that hypnotism is their strength in response to stress. two. acceptance. You may have seen him writing about video games for Game Rant, movies and TV shows for Screen Rant, before his current role overseeing operations for SR Comics. The angrier Hulk gets, the stronger he becomes. FF51: the lowest point of Despair and self hatred. Namor is a mutant Atlantean which allows him to survive the crushing pressures of the ocean. A material that is strong resists yielding, or permanently deforming. This That question has now been answered in the most decisive fashion possible. Still, Hulks strength is almost always enough for him to overcome some technical shortages. He might break his bones and his names he says he would use the name Sue gave him. Tough stuff: ductile vs. brittle As far as I know, no other super-strong But when that one week is intended to be his and Alicia's honeymoon(so that they can start a family) we're willing to bet most fans will be happy to overlook it. Ben thinks faced, only the Thing lasted more than two rounds. If the Thing cant beat the Hulk even whenhe is inhis darkest form, then he will never be able to, which will finally settlethe debate regarding whether or not the Thing can ever truly defeat the Hulk. Overall, the Hulk showed much more strength and won many more fights than the Think, and even the fights Ben won were hardly ever a one-on-one clash. destructive power. When it comes to running, Thor has been described as being able to run at speeds that surpass the speed of lightning . Spencer Connolly is a Staff Writer for Screen Rant. man with the power") but Skip didn't see Ben until AFTER he held Possibly his rocky form makes it difficult: the explosive force He's gone through multiple secondary mutations throughout his life and grows stronger from each transformation. The only thing that can defeat the Hulk is preventing Banner from ever transforming into the big green guy. strength level, so this was a real shock. Thing can lift over a thousand tons when he has to, when pushed to Most people would assume that larger muscles produce the most force. The super-soldier serum enhanced Steve Rogers, and he became Captain America. FF236: Ben abandons his policy of accepting his lot. and he's weaker than the Thing. It would also make the object Ben Strength and durability are the two strongest characteristics of both the Hulk and the Thing. Some of the Hulks stronger forms even have radioactive gamma radiation (for instance, the World Breaker Hulk). However, theres more. defining psychological characteristic is stubbornness: and it Braddock earned new powers with the Sword of Might and became Captain Avalon. Strange Tales, he is tied to a ten ton object. Strength training aims to make muscles stronger. He switched bodies with the gamma-powered Doc Samson, and they became the still-powerful Walter Samson and Doc Sasquatch. But the Thing nearly always will judge him. it all goes wrong. 64). friend" but that may be just to keep him on board. Fantastic Four #12left Ben a half-hour to put the Hulk down for good, making this issue a literal countdown to the death of The Thing. His Vibranium-laced suit further increased his strength, allowing him to take on powerful villains who would normally be way above his strength class. Rogue can even enhance her incredible strength with Colossus' organic steel skin to propel her well past the 100+ ton strength class. Thanos Was Afraid to Face the Hulk Before He Had the Infinity Stones, settles whether or not he can ever truly beat the, Hulk Would Be Totally Powerless Against Star Trek's Enterprise. Ben Grimm, and Reed forces him back. not rage. fighter has gone. He can withstand incredible amounts of sensory stimuli that normal human beings couldnt, such as extremely high temperatures, loud noises, direct light into the eyes, and more. Note: The Hulk was disqualified because the Champion refused to so you can lift an Flowers and condolences can be sent to the Hulk directly. starts and ends. Tony Stark is normally just an ordinary human being in good physical condition. That dynamic factor is virtually unlimited, meaning the Hulks strength has no upper boundary. "Designed by Mr Fantastic of unstable molecules, Torch's Uniform unites shut case, right? The irony is that they talk about his spirit, Prior to writing for Screen Rant, Spencer was a Photojournalist and News Producer. weaker. (when adjusted for size), but Ben's default psychological state is The Big Green is simply too powerful for the original Rock to conquer. in FF25). criticism, and so on. Spider-Man has lifted upwards of 25 tons in the comics. including regressing to the state where he first met Alicia, until Unlike the Hulk, though, Ben keeps his intellect when in Thing form. Thor was disqualified because he needed his hammer: The Champion was looking for unaided strength. His intellect is classified as super-genius. varied, so it probably operates on a different principle. With that cursed enchantment came a huge power boost which made the Thing the most powerful he has ever been - seemingly powerful enough to face Thor himself. Ben will finally return to Alicia. could not be beaten (he was, after all, an Elder of the Universe), Once, the Thing came out on top, but he was given extra powers while the Hulk, in his grey Joe Fixit form, was severely depowered -- not exactly a fair fight. a matter or pride so he was able to give extra force. he's been fighting for several minutes at least! Back when they can see, there are many variables, and a wide range of incredible force, and perhaps the rocks get in the way? Or should we say SMASH IT?! FF175: in Marvel Two in One 50 he goes back to the start and changes Captain Britain could lift around 90 tons while wearing his conduit suit. When the Thing and the Hulk first went toe to toe in Hulk 122, the Thing gave up due to the illusion that he was too weak. This was around the same time as Fantastic Four Fantastic Four had different powers). In reality he could win easily if his spirit was not But Reed had wealth and contacts does. courage, leading the Champion to say the Thing was the opponent he can land on normal ground without making a gigantic hole. deciding where to go from here, rebuilding his life. The Thing never had the practice, so he Initially, Captain Britain's costume acted as a conduit for inter-dimensional energy, which gave him his powers. This is collapsing at the end of the third round, the Thing crawled across Although Sue has known Reed since childhood, The classifications ought to be taken roughly, not literally, as both of these characters increased and decreased in strength over the years, so it depends on which two versions of Hulk and Thing were comparing. gone wrong. While he gets some good licks in, he spends most of the time gettingviciouslypunched around. finding the strongest male and defeating him: she chose Ben Grimm. Wikipedia Lets be honest here I dont think theres a character in the entire Marvel universe that can match the Hulk in pure, raw strength. [5 Fights from Comics]. But only the Fantastic Four has So we are There is simply no way to kill the Hulk. comic, and ending with a section answering reader's questions. ), FF78-79: "This Monster Forever": he no longer hates Reed. Some of these fights ended in stalemates, while others ended thanks to outside help before a victor could be crowned. Marvel. 112, when, with his psychological restraint removed, the Thing was The appeal of the match-up has led to several fights over the years, usually with some crucial detail or mitigating circumstance allowing the debate to live on. so he gave up. The Hulk With CBR, he has been able to write about his favorite subjects, from the MCU to Doctor Who. He didn't Yet The Thing's FF274: Ben returns, realizes he's lost Alicia, and begins to Is John Krasinski Playing Mr. often met, and The Thing has only beaten the Hulk once (in FF320, around half a million tons of force. again a good match for the Hulk - any strength difference was Iron Man can lift over 100 tons, which is only the limit of his most basic suit. In . The Beast is a super genius and knows how to maximize his strength in various ways. If the Hulk reached anywhere near his upper limits, his mere existence would jeopardize the planet, possibly the galaxy. A Thing was holding the main cables. Thor? probably his only real friend. Premium Powerups . FF126: Reed's influence has gone. includes intelligence, skill, and spirit. body, but he could not break his spirit. According to one research, the Hulk and the Thing fought 60 times in the comics, most of which ended in a draw (or having no decisive winner). able to escape previously. #3 comic_book_fan. Frustration and constant belittling from the team has its toll. Watch the Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny trailer for the upcoming Indiana Jones movie, opening in theaters on June 30, 2023.Harrison Ford returns as the legendary hero archaeologist in the highly anticipated fifth installment in the iconic Indiana Jones movie franchise. Well, not quite. For a time, The Thing supported the entire weight of the bridge - shows that he is in fact strong: humiliating Doom. Strength is how you apply that power: it includes intelligence, skill, and spirit. It was The two giants fought each other in the comics numerous times. Let's step inside Ben's mind. His strength makes him a valuable member of the Guardians of the Galaxy's best rosters. hydraulo-press does not need to be dropped to have its force move. the Grey Hulk). Feats of ludicrous He abandoned his natural tribe Yancy Street Gang and tried to WARNING: The following article contains spoilers for Fantastic Four #13 by Dan Slott, Sean Izaakse, Marcio Menyz and Joe Caramagna, in stores now. into the air. Ben and Reed worked together on the space ship: the first page she is right. However, when Hulk attacks, Thor admits he can't beat the Green Goliath in a straight fight (though he does manage totake Hulk by surprise, hitting him hard enough that he's thrown halfway around the world.) Namor is a mutant human and Atlantean hybrid, and that means that his physiology is superior to a lot of different characters in Marvel. Things best attribute is strength, and Hulk trumps him in that regard by a mile. That is the whole point of his magazine. this was near to Ben's limit. The heart-shaped herb found in Wakana gave Black Panther his super strength. again like normal cloth". The clock is ticking down. jumped in deserts), but the Thing does: unconsciously he will not That being said, he does bleed and can get injured, but Thing doesnt have the Hulks recovery factor he needs to heal properly over time and can indeed die. exactly what happened in Giant Size Fantastic Four issue 1. The Thing believes This example id from FF 92, on a Skrull It might not be much, but it came in handy for the Black Panther on several occasions. Feats of ludicrous Explore Gaming. extremely hot: the energy of bending has to go somewhere. face the truth. the story it was Ben's need to impress Alicia, but in the early So if we restrict ourselves to evidence from the FF's own In these areas the Thing is well above Hulk level. stronger (the famous Pineapple Thing stage when he decisively beat strength are largely telekinetic: e.g. Indeed, the Thing is probably one of Hulks most frequent rivals. The insecurity is still I showed this image to some FF167: he gains confidence, and changes, but realizes he isn't Piotr Rasputin already possessed the physique of a champion bodybuilder. The sense-shattering punch takes up an entire two-page spread that shows just how powerful and damaging it is. Even without relying on changing his size, Groot's base form outclasses some of Marvel's most powerful heroes. RELATED: Marvel: 10 Heroes You Wouldnt Think Are Stronger Than Thor (But Actually Are). the psychological restraints are reduced (e.g. they The Champion The story starts at the climax of his life: after pulling restrained by subconscious psychological blocks. he mentioned more than just cosmic rays, but in hindsight that blast" mind control ray, and was highly frustrated at not being When Alicia married Johnny, Ben started to work through his (It appears from the pictures that the Skrull thinks he does: so begins. must conclude that he exerted many many times his "five ton" The serum pushed Steve's body to the peak of human physical potential, making Cap the strongest a human could be without becoming superhuman. repression, due to hating his appearance, unconscious fear of engineers and they suggested a ballpark figure of around 150 tons. "This is what the Thing has always feared more than anything else, One time, the Champion a cosmic entity of unfathomable strength challenged 8 of Earths strongest heroes, including Hulk, Thor (Asgardian, but Earths protector), and the Thing. While she can usually lift around 50 to 70 tons, her power to absorb and re-channel energy increases her strength class. But if fans wish to see the fight and its decisive finish for themselves, they can pick up their own copy now. Lets dive into the Hulks and Things powers and analyze how they compare with each other. Unlike the Hulk, though, Ben keeps his intellect when in Thing form. result he believes his strength is limited. world) or when he believes that thousands of lives depend on him However, the Things darkest form gave the Fantastic Four member an insane boost of power and is easily the strongest Ben Grimm has ever been, strong enough even to maybe defeat the Hulk while the Avenger is in his normal state. When he does.. watch out, while he was sick. Jones' durability is also worth noting, as she can push beyond her strength and recover from the resulting injuries with ease. The alien Symtiotes of Marvel like Venom or Carnage has long plagued the comic books thanks to how easily they can assimilate large swathes of populations, including superheroes. be the Thing's equivalence to the Hulk's rage. blind. The Hulk is famous for claiming to be "the strongest one there is." Rogue can absorb the powers of anyone she directly touches. In FF1 and again in a smaller man may be a bit faster than a larger man but the difference is minute, the larger man's extended reach more than makes up for it. That, along with the fact that he usually works in a team, might give Benjamin Grimm a slight chance against Marvels strongest superhero. However, she can absorb their powers permanently if touching them for too long. Doc Samson's lack of fighting skill got him eliminated from contention before the fight started. Check this: but this is a barbed compliment: it assumes that he is doomed to reason Ben cannot change is psychological (this is finally stated exactly as she did around the "weak Thing" stories). Marvel Fanfare #21 had Banner destroy Grimm, screaming for help and abandoning the fight in the end. They are both highly resilient to physical damage, but Hulk is just on another level. Other earthly heavies? After the yield point, the stress continues to rise until it reaches its maximum, the ultimate tensile strength. When the psychiatrist was removed . As you this time turns. days Ben was trying to impress Sue. Where Did the Phrase, 'What a Revolting Development' Come From? here in FF annual 5 and FF250. There have been a number of instances throughout Marvel Comics where the Thing and the Hulk have fought with both of them winning for different reasons, however, the Hulk has proven time and again that he is much stronger than the Thing under normal circumstances. He went toe-to-toe against some of the mightiest cosmic heroes. REVIEW: Marvel's Guardians of the Galaxy: Bane of Blastaar #1 Is a Cinematic Found Family Adventure, REVIEW: Dark Horse Comics' Under Kingdom Is a Monstrously Fun Adventure, 75 Years Ago, Batman First Discovered Who Killed His Parents, 10 Coolest Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Characters, The Power Rangers' New Green Ranger is a Horrifying Remix of the Original. They Drax also has a special aura that activates in times of great need. effect. His healing factor and dynamic strength level are too much for the Thing to handle, as shown in almost every fight they ever had in the comics. The general consensus however, is that the Hulk is the strongest of the two, while Ben Grimm is the one with the most heart. In his got a lot of practice in the early days by carrying Rick Jones: Stan Lee, in "Marvel Comics: The Untold Story" by Sean Howe, p. The long-running question of who would win in a fight, the Hulk or the Thing, is finally answered in the latest issue of Fantastic Four. His skin is virtually impenetrable, and although he did get hurt a few times in the comics, Hulk has a strong healing factor that helped him recover from every injury. These include flight, super speed, invulnerability, the power to travel through the multiverse, and super strength. For example, he is unable to change back to human form so a massive blow to the head was enough to almost knock him out. Namor the Sub-Mariner is incredibly powerful and deserves more credit for being one of Marvel's first and strongest superheroes. Hulk . hurting anyone, and inner conflict over marrying Alicia. His flight and solar beams both augment his physical strength exponentially. I assume at some point Hulk could theoretically get so angry as to out scale The Thing, but is he as strong as a relatively angry Hulk? The outcome of the fight is sure to be disputed whenever Bruce Banner and Ben Grimm next cross paths, or when fans claim that a mind-controlled Hulk will take a punch far worse than normal. self confidence: In summary, Sue began the problem. If the titanium were some less brittle alloy then the final several feet. Captain America possessed enhanced strength beyond what almost any human could muster. KEEP READING: Where Did the Phrase, 'What a Revolting Development' Come From? Get ready for the biggest HULK VS. THING FIGHT OF THE CENTURY! But that doesn't mean that his fans can't celebrate the occasion, and one of the most emotionally satisfying answers to this age-old rivalry that their bouts may ever produce. And Reed wanted Ben to pilot it, driving the Rogue sits above some of the other 100-ton-lifting heroes because she can further increase her strength as needed. permission. The general consensus however, is that the Hulk is the strongest of the two, while Ben Grimm is the one with the most heart. Next:Hulk Would Be Totally Powerless Against Star Trek's Enterprise. The bout officially began in the previous issue, with Ben Grimm and Alicia Masters's honeymoon interrupted by a raging Hulk determined to kill The Thing. So why does Ben not jump? Prince Namor, and as late as FF33 Reed still wonders who she all moral restraint (and hence self doubt), or when he is man who knows the Hulk better than anyone. Reed, but is resigned to his fate. The green beast, named the Hulk, is a relatable individual, representing the characteristics idealized by the American society. The ability to toss around construction equipment or ground planes as they attempt to take off doesn't make Luke Cage one of Marvel's strongest heroes, but it remains an impressive accomplishment. When Bruce Banner gets angry, he turns into Hulk. came to accept himself in act 5. Vision has a lot of abilities that further elevate him above other heroes, especially when used in combination with his super-strength. bridge cables together for an extended period. The bottom line is that the Femizons in the future staged the great games? But the same setup means that The Thing is invested with his heart, as well as his physical strength. On the other hand, in Avengers: The Initiative #2, we learn that the Thing is in Class 100, meaning he can lift up to 100 000 tons. does. anger. a two way street. But, the only time Thing really beat Banner one-on-one was when he had amplified abilities while fighting a weakened Gray Hulk which is one of the weakest Hulk versions to start with. Unlike Captain America, Captain Britain's powers are a huge upgrade from peak human physicality. In Immortal Hulk #41, Ben even managed to knock Bruce out. Art by Esad Ribic. This page is not about the new, weak Thing. Ben will never obtain peace until he Similarly, in Immortal Hulk #7 by Al Ewing and Joe Bennett, the Hulk goes up against the entire Avengers team and knocks Thor out of the fight with a single punch to the face. When he is thinking Colossus, Hulk, Wonder-Man, Namor, Doc Samson, Sasquatch, Thor, and Thing were were all potential combatants. Realistically, the only way the Thing could beat Hulk in a fair fight is to outsmart him somehow. However, the Hulk and the Thing are the most talked about in terms of raw strength. X-Men's resident Southern sweetheart Rogue can lift upwards of 100 tons, making her one of the most physically strong X-Men. After all this time, we finally have our answer: the Thing wins thanks to what he's always had -- heart. Fantastic In The MCU? So how does Thanos beat hulk with such ease with ease? What follows is a short period of silent soul searching, FF25-26: He comes to believes he is weak, and fully accepts and he unconsciously holds back for fear of hurting them, as seen unable to consciously revert back to human form. He sees the surfer as a also respect. Thundra, for example, came for the express purpose of The Puppet Master isn't holding back and makes sure that the Hulk is fighting as his most brutal, most dangerous self. FF226: Alicia begins to despair that he will ever commit. But most of Ben's feats of strength are near to other people, produce a champion such as the Thing, he said, was a truly worthy He is also One doesn't get a nickname like "The Destroyer" without being known around the galaxy for destruction. (Image Credit: Marvel Comics), Art by Sean Izaakse. the ring to demand the fight continue when the Champion claimed Drax's super-strength is pretty useful for destroying things. it runs so deep that it Alicia. AN unfortunate side effect is that, without his Major Strengths: Can lift approximately 1 ton consistently Captain America can further increase his strength by training Years later Reed often refers to Ben as "old the Hulk. On at least two occasions - of a jump requires joints to rotate at incredible speed, not just With Mjolnir, Thor can reach Mach32 speeds which is 87,738,945 miles per hour. Hes highly resilient to explosives, too a bazooka shot from point-blank range didnt harm him at all, although Im not sure how Thing would fare against nuclear weaponry. However, in Fantastic Four #13, the Hulk and the Thing duke it out once again. The former Avenger and current Mayor of New York Luke Cage still has plenty of strength behind his punches. or twice if you include Giant Size FF 1). By contrast, training for hypertrophy . Once, the Thing came out on top, but he was given extra powers while the Hulk, in his grey Joe Fixit form, was severely depowered -- not exactly a fair fight. He realizes He is also impressively durable. and clearly intended as humor, so not necessarily canon, but it Then Sue called him a Thundra knew very little about the Earth, but she had been sent by scientists and historians . case (from FF6, 1962) he simply has to squeeze some metal. In the end, I have the Hulk winning the battle of giants against the Thing 9/10 times, with the one victory Thing is having being a matter of plot convenience. He has lost Sue, and finds Alicia: the double of Sue, but FF90-93: a reminder of his natural self, physically much to return. She is continuing to train to lift even greater weights, and the uppermost limit of her potential strength is as yet unknown. to talk yet the Hulk just hits him. there (hence unable to change again) but he no longer feels 2) (Deluxe Edition) published in 1985: In superhuman form the She-Hulk possesses superhuman strength and can lift (press) at least 75 tons. You can follow him on Twitter at @ian_c1701 (yes, that is a Star Trek reference) for discussions, debates or pictures of really cool collectibles he probably doesn't have room for. First of all, his stamina is impressive. jump. He can even push himself past these limits, but it risks destabilizing his own body. page. With that inspiration, Ben finds the strength to pick himself back up and puts everything he has left into one punch -- one powered by his love for Alicia.
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